Professor David Anderson. Early vitamin D research doctor.
Vitamin D and other topics, a fascinating wide ranging discussion with retired Consultant Physician and Professor of Endocrinology David Anderson. Download a free copy of VITAMIN D3 and the Great Biology Reset, by Professor David Anderson and Dr David Grimes.
Well a warm welcome to this video and a particular welcome back to Professor David Anderson uh Professor thank you for coming back thank you very much John a pleasure now you’ve done a lot of the pioneering work on vitamin D uh in your career as a uh professor of endrocrinology and a consultant
Physician and a long long long lifelong medical author and um communicator and teacher and uh we’ve been reading your book here the uh vitamin D and the great biology reset that you co-authored with Dr Grimes of course now ju just to give a bit of background for people that
Didn’t see the previous video can we can we just think about vitamin D and the well what what really can be described as a pandemic of vitamin D deficiency yes well uh vitamin D I mean I I I’ve just worked on vitamin D sort of intermittently throughout my career
Which goes back to and the first time I came in contact with the vitamin D was back in in the the um uh 60s when I worked on a kidney unit in Dundee shortly after qualification and they had uh cases of vitamin D deficient rickets there and
The group um that I was with Bill Stewart and and Professor Ken low um they they um had uh they had a found of vitamin D uh deficient rickets and we um when I later I mean I I I sort of specialized for three years in in uh
Renal disease and then it was felt that I was specializing too early so I I was fortunate to be appointed to uh a a job at the Hammersmith hospital and at the Hammersmith Hospital you were expec Ed to do research I mean these were really in the days where the research was done
You know on the hoof and I tried to set up an assay for vitamin D for 25 hydroxy this was right at the time when the uh workers in the states and elsewhere will work out um what the mechanism of action of vitamin D was and it was the first
Thing with 25 hydroxy was discovered that is calcif dial and that is the reservoir form well it was quite difficult I was trying uh a type of acid called competitive protein binding which was at the Forefront in those days and it was I found it too difficult and I
Actually went on and worked on uh testosterone and sex hormone binding globulin which is referred to I’m in the book I mentioned uh uh um the me mechanism action of testosterone and other sex hormones and it was only later then when I went to uh I was appointed as senior
Lecturer this was in 1975 I think in at Manchester Royal infirmary where Bill stanbury had a big vitamin D unit uh led by Barbara Moore who was really excellent she alas no long is no longer with us and I I I had a a research fell I mean
These were the days where you could apply to the welcome trust for traveling research fellow and actually they could work on whatever you thought was good if they anyway this this um stavos manolas worked wanted to work on with me and wanted to work on on uh osteoporosis
Anyway eventually quite quite soon he we did some lab work on on with the help of people at Sheffield on the vitamin D re receptor and you’ll find I sometimes say vitamin D and sometimes vitamin D um it anyway same stuff and the vitamin D receptor it was
Known by then that the the metabolism the active form was 125 dihydroxy D3 and that was when so we set up we were working with fetal rat skull bone I mean it’s really primitive technology but we we got the the The Binding method working and found evidence of high Affinity
Receptors and put them in culture and we were the first people to show that actually in culture the D receptor in this bone system the D receptor uh was dependent upon gluc corticoids cor cortisol and and um dexameth and stuff like that and they disappeared uh we we’
Looked for receptors of for cortisol and found them uh and found when recultured with cortisol and at physiological levels the vitamin D receptor remained so you know and and stavos went off to the United States eventually uh um and uh worked with with people like Mark hler I think and uh and
Has made a career out of it now I I once met met stabos recently well it wasn’t it was 10 or 20 years ago and he said I could have David you could have been so great if you just stuck at one thing and I’ve never done that I’m I’m I’ve moved
In where as a clinician I did quite a lot of research on pageant’s disease of bone uh and um I’ve had that have that sort of mind that wanders around and picks up ideas and picks holes uh and that is not the American way it’s not
The American way uh I was offered a job in in California at the scripts Institute it would involve uh changing research uh Tack and I I went to stay Jenny and I went to Hawaii for a week uh and we we stayed with somebody called Fred Greenwood who was a British
Endocrine olist and I asked him I said should I take this job Fred and and he said the thing you need to remember David is that the advantages of living in the states and working in the states are very obvious and the disadvantages are much less obvious whereas with
Britain and Europe it’s the other way around and I and that you I came home came back to Bart and and got this job at at at in Manchester so interesting so you were one of the first people to realize that the vitamin D had a specific receptor so we have a
Particular type of vitamin D molecule and and that fits into a a a receptor which is specifically designed for the Vitamin D I mean is this receptor sitting on Cell surfaces uh no it’s no it’s not a cell surface receptor it is it’s a um has a intracellular
Binding protein which is very very interesting this is touched on in the book uh and the I one of the things I learned I leared a lot writing this book because I kind of left um research I’m 83 and I I was thought I was retired and
At the beginning of the pandemic of course I realized as did David Grimes who has got I’ve got to know as a result of this and is a good friend uh that you know I realized that this was two pandemics it is a pandemic of D deficiency and a pandemic of this virus
And and I’ve been working with with jpe tra who’s another become another good friend and we he’s a real expert he he wrote a very good book in Italian on SARS kv2 the virus and the evidence that this was a man-made virus is absolutely phenomenal so Joseph and I in the summer
Of 22 we submitted with the aid of a lawyer we submitted the case against 10 people we assess were involved in creating different ways in creating this virus five of them are Americans there’s a Brit there’s a Frenchman there’s a there’s an Ethiopian and uh someone
Somebody else anyway um the the uh so I’ve kind of what I it’s very interesting turning back to the question of of attitudes to research uh because I when I I’m I was I went to another hospital hope Hospital in Manchester and then uh it it when
When I was 50 um I got a job offer I heard about a job in Hong Kong and that was professor of medicine well I’d got a personal chair in Manchester but I decided that I’d go for this because I was really interested in improving medical teaching and so I was
I was appointed I mean they clearly realized and fairly soon that I was the wrong person for the job because I was too argumentative uh and I was um uh but that took us to Hong Kong and I was professor of medicine there for three years and then I I I’d been making
Medical teaching films because I thought that the one of the big problems with medical teaching was it was Specialists teaching students and not learning what other Specialists were doing so you know that that that I then went into private practice um and continued to make the medical teaching
Films I think it’s really useful to about a document the the history of the you know talking to people like yourself document the history of This research is is really useful the way that ideas developed we want to talk more about your ideas in Hong Kong but just just
Before we go on to that um you identified basically that there’s a vitamin D pandemic um would this be difficult to treat would this involve sophisticated high-tech treatments to make the world population vitamin D replete no the I mean the thing is that it would be incredibly cheap it would
Lead to the destruction of big farmer because much of what big farmer depends on and I discussed this in a book um or we just a lot of a lot of diseases hardly a disease that you can name that isn’t made worse by D deficiency and improved by D repletion and it would
Cost the square root of buger all it costs nothing it cost it’s it’s about five or 10 or 15 Euros or Pounds per year per person and less for a kid you know it’s absolutely ridiculous I calculated to make the whole world dlete would cost about 20 to30 billion dollar
Well since there are 7 billion people or8 billion people in the world it’s it’s falling now thanks to the the pandemic but uh you know it would cost next to nothing when you look at the prophets Bill Gates is proud that he made he made 190 billion dollars from his investments in
Mna and fiza his investments in in a patented compound of based on a synthetic virus and it’s mindboggling but so there’s an enormous amount of Silent resistance I mean silent nobody dares say attack vitamin D they they they say well youve got to be very careful you not to overdose so you
Know nice which is one of the nasty bureaucratic organizations in Britain nice identifies in 400 units per day of vitamin D but one unit is enough to treat stoper fetal Mouse getting rickets you know it’s peanuts but I don’t I don’t I don’t see
A lot of Rick I don’t see a lot of rickets in the UK David I mean you you know if you go to India or into history textbooks or other poor parts of the world you will see children with bendy bones and that persists into adulthood
But I don’t see that in the UK so no you were getting enough vitamin didn’t you well you well the problem is that that um if you go back to the mechanism action of vitamin D um it evolved as an essential part of our defense against
Diseases I I think that the because the immune system every aspect of the immune system is vitamin D dependent that is to say it depends on 125 uh and then we our predecessors you know uh we uh um bony fish developed from the lampri I think that’s uh you know maybe 400 to
500 million years ago and prior to that vitamin D vitamin D subsequently was then taken over or nature is very economical so this um a wonderful marvelous substance that’s uh only made under the action of ultraviolet light on your skin essentially uh fish get it you get it
From fish but that’s because fish eat plankton and in Plankton it actually as David Grim said it protects the Plankton against against um ultraviolet light so this this compound is ABS it’s a one of the Miracles of Life on on Earth vitamin D so so so vitamin vitam vitamin D in
The algae is doing much the same thing as melanin in us it’s protecting them from ultraviolet light then the fish eat it and we can eat the fish and and and and light it’s essential for I mean am I right in thinking two two or 3 thousand
Genes depend on vitamin D for their activation well certainly a thousand and probably I’m a thousand in counting you know 3% of our genome it’s estimated but you you when you count all of all of the the the uh supplementary factors genes and things I
I I have no idea how many but one of the things of I me I want to just mention about vitamin D because quite a lot of uh people often ask me well should you take it with K2 and this is something that’s got into the sort of uh uh
Unofficial literature or uh uh K2 actually you can make I mean if if you’ve got good entro I think but in any case the problem with vitamin D is vitamin D actually acts uh uh through vitamin D receptor which acts in concert with a vitamin a receptor this is how
They switch on it switches on the genes it’s not doesn’t act the vdr doesn’t act on its own it’s got to have its liand and it’s got to have rxr retinol receptor with its Lian so you definitely need Vitamin A as well as D but you can
Get a from all sorts of foods so vitamin A deficiency you know in certain parts of the world is is important uh and the vitamin day but uh another element which I discovered reading up on the literature uh uh working for for this book um is that the question of the non-genomic
Responses vitamin D also binds when I say vitamin D I mean 125 dihydroxy it also binds to the same receptor at a different binding site and at that bind on that binded site it acts on its own and this is rapid the this causes rapid responses one of which is acting on
Things called cavoli which I understand there something to do excuse me with stopping viruses getting into your cells um so vitamin D is is absolutely miraculous subance so the way I think about this David is is is there are vitamin D receptors on probably all cells in the body but
Certainly vitamin D receptors on all of the white blood cells involved in Immunity on the lymphocytes on the on the monocytes on the what whatever all all of the white blood cells the nutrifil the macrofagos the lymphocytes that produce the uh the thees are interesting because um they are under control of dendritic
Cells which have the one alpha hydroxy ASE it makes 125 Pro provided you’ve got a big enough reserve of of of calid you’ve got to have a good Reserve um and they act on other cells which are the the lymphocytes so the lymphocytes uh have the receptor but they so that
That that’s a local effect um and I mentioned I didn’t really get into the question but evolution of the hormonal effect I a hormone a classical hormone is obviously as you know it’s produced at one sight in the body and travels in the bloodstream to act at other sides I mean it’s it’s
Diffused and it’s picked up by receptors and in the case of Vitamin D it promotes calcium absorption and calcium re aborption from the bone so you know and that is under the control of the parathyroid glands so the parathyroid glands monitor the ionized calcium in the blood secrete
Their hormone pth which then travels and finds these cells the acts on the on the cells in the renal tubal controls calcium and phosphate transport by mechanisms which are now very well understood and the problem is that nice who I was rude about slightly earlier um
Nice um believe that this is the most important function U but in fact it’s the Greedious function so uh because because of the production in the kidney it’s really important for you as an organism to have a normal ionized calcium all the time so you know for the fight and flight
Reaction and the function of your nerve cells that is vital so you can you can okay forget about the immune system for a short while but but then you know it’s it it’s really important to know what your vitamin D level is I did a little
Zoom chat the other day uh with a congregation in a church and nobody in the congregation knew what their vitamin D level was now this is that I mean the had had even had it checked and had a doctor say you’ve got enough or you need
More and of course the reason you were doing this is this population was at particular risk of vitamin D deficiency because we were dealing with a largely dark skinned population in a Northern Region their risk is Extreme yes and and back to you you you asked about rickets in in Britain um
Rickets um obviously was very common in in the uh in the days of of of the Industrial Revolution where there was pollution children were working never getting out in the sun so rickets and Osteo malaia which is the adult version of rickets uh were very common um interestingly when I was working in
Dunde there was a there was a lot of rickets and osto Malaysia among Asian immigrants in in Scotland no surprise there at all so it’s rather strange David really we have this National Institute of clinical Excellence which must be good because it’s got excellent in the title and they have this really
Simplistic this really simplistic idea that vitamin D is for calcium and that’s pretty well all whereas we know that that is the one that sort of takes precedent over the vitamin D and if there’s because that’s an emergency if if your calcium goes up or down that’s clearly a life-threatening condition um
But we now know it’s essential for all of the functioning of the immune cells and they don’t seem to realize that and and a tremendous amount of other organs I mean the brain uh you know there there there’s a pandemic for epidemic of parkinsonism for example uh Park the the the um cells
That are in the OR basil ganglia depend upon adequate amounts of the precursor of of calid 25 hydroxy and the problem is that many of these tissues if you get severe d d deficiency and especially if you’ve got some sort of slow Virus Infection uh which once the cells are
Are lost they’re lost forever we got a good friend of our uh youngest son who developed parkinsonism and I I I got him to to get onto this was a number of years ago onto vitamin D and it hasn’t progressed but it hasn’t regressed either um so you know the the the what
We’re finding now and there something else that I think needs emphasizing David Grimes on his talk uh was uh um Illustrated this that one of the effect once you use vitamin D uh uh it by this mechanism through to switch on needed genes it one of the genes it switches on
Is 24 hydroxy that converts 124 12 5 to 12425 which is more water soluble but is also inactive it’s not believed to have any major any significant action so it’s built in it the system the more you force uh by vaccinations pseudo vaccinations infections Etc the more you
Force your immune system to fight uh the more it will consume vitamin D and what we’re seeing now it it’s absolutely outrageous as as um uh Professor D leich eloquently Illustrated I mean he’s an expert on on the cancers there’s a pandemic of all sorts of cancers and it’s absolutely
Outrageous what is being done by the under the name of the World Health Organization the world kill organization a better name but the the key physiology here is that any molecule of vitamin D that is in our blood can only be used once absolutely then it has
To be replaced by a fresh one yes so we need a constant top up Reservoir the this calidi Reservoir form and this this make does make sense because um obviously as we evolved out you know with in the sunshine um uh of Africa uh we know we know for example that the
Marai marai young men almost naked possibly completely naked um you know they they naturally produce vitamin D levels in the blood uh around 60 nanog per mil 60 to 100 nog per mil which is the sort of level everybody should be going for but the only way most of us
Can do that is by taking supplements and you don’t need to 100 nogs per M would be 250 n moles per liter that’s right yeah and I run mine I try to run mine but in the high high you know my last time I checked it was 84 and it’s been
Up over 100 because I take one capsule which you can get in Italy of 100,000 units once a month and once or twice a month I will if I get any sort of infection or something I tend you know uh I I will take one capsule of of cfid
But I mean we’re talking about peanuts and we are talking about a very very serious threat to Big farmer seen by big farmer because you know you can’t buy califit you can’t you know and and the brainwashing of the iCal profession I’m afraid has been very considerable so
I’ve got a question David when I when I retired from Academia I went to work as a part-time uh junior staff nurse again on in uh in A&E in the local Ed uh which was great I was looking after patients again and putting up drips and you know
Putting on bandages and not doing emails it was a it was a great time but we had something called the sepsis 6 so when someone comes in with sepsis we give them oxy oygen we do the blood cultures we give IV antibiotics we give them fluids we check their serum lactate and
Hemoglobin and if necessary We catheterize Them those six things but we’re doing but most of those people that are coming in will be severely deficient in vitamin D now I don’t think there’s any point giving them vitamin D3 because that’s going to take some time to activate into the
Calid dial form surely we should have the sepsis 7 yes it wouldn’t rhyme as well but we could give them a whack a whacking dose of calid dial and we’ be left with the protocol that didn’t rhyme as well would save more people’s lives well the sepsis
7 to prevent going to heaven work that’s a did you just do that off the cuff that’s really good that’s a really bad poem anyway I’m use that or wherever you go um indeed but but um surely if we give if we gave CID dial how long would
It take for the calid dial this is the activated form that you can get in tablets in Italy but we’re not allowed in the UK how long would it take for that to become physiologically active and to optimize the function of the white blood cells well it’s almost
Immediate because C has one more hydroxy group than vitamin D3 itself it it is absorbed from your mouth I mean we we we I sent copid to saf dun Hospital in May of 2021 I said did a little uh study with with Professor Jal Kishore there and we’ve got a little
Film showing him giving people in ICU calcifer just sticking a needle into the in not into the patient into the capsule squeezing it into the mouth and nobody the no none of the people admitted to intensive care died they all got out very got very quick so well very quickly
So that is yes of course we need cfile and some of the other things other things because this sepsis 6 protocol the Oxygen’s going to keep you alive I mean that’s great the blood cultures are essential to identify the the type of bacteria or indeed virus that’s causing the sepsis mostly bacteria IV
Antibiotics of course are completely life-saving in the acute situation has his fluid resuscitation checking lactate and hemoglobin is important and catheterization is essential for monitoring renal function but there’s nothing there nothing that optimizes immune function why on Earth would you not want to optimize immune function in
Someone with an acute infection it just it’s just bemusing so so po post viral syndrome so I I was talking to someone recently and I’ve done this many times um who had uh one viral infection followed by another viral infection probably covid followed by an influenza or something and she was
Like really debilitated after this so she got over the acute infection the fever went but her limbs were heavy she was tired she had low mood she just felt really terrible and I said look go to the doctor she she went to the doctors and they did eventually do a vitamin D
Test to see if this would explain what she was feeling after two viral infections and uh it turned out a vitamin D level was 20 nanomoles per liter which is eight nanograms per Mill so and it makes perfect sense in what you’ve said so she had one infection and that used up a
Vitamin D then she had another infection and that used up all more vitamin D and then she she after that she’d used it all up and of course it’s winter time here in the north of England you don’t produce essenti you produce essentially none well
Well a level of a level of uh 8 nanog from a mill or 20 nanom per liter uh I have recently uh done blood vitamin D levels and a total of 105 people uh many of them including Nova about 5050 noac and vaccinated and that is lower than
Any other LEL any level that we’ve seen and half of them are insufficient or deficient so everybody should be taking vitamin D and uh you know it it’s um and there’s not really an excuse in Britain for not knowing what your vitamin D level is because by the way
When I was over there let me see if I can find my prop um if you go into um boots or a chemist you can find vitamin D kits uh like that which allow you to measure okay it costs about £8 vitamin D another one rapid test kit it doesn’t
Give you uh an absolutely it doesn’t give you it just says insufficient uh sufficient uh very good and too much but you know it’s still uh that I strongly encourage and I don’t have shares in boots or shares in Pretty in anybody but uh you I mean if G if GPS around the
Country did this this would be very cost effective because we could save a fortune on other treatments of course of course of course and and heart disease colon cancer diabetes type one autoimmune disease the list is long the list is indeed long yeah so be before I rudely interrupted you
And got you onto this digression David you were telling us about Hong Kong because this ties in with a particular interest of mine um I think the reason that people developed dark skins initially long long time ago was because if you’ve got light colored skin and you’re exposed to African
Sunshine that will uh break up your folic acid you you’ll get folate photo destruction so it’s then an evolutionary Advantage a selective advantage to develop dark skin so our ancestors would be very dark skinned I didn’t know about fly but also certainly undoubtedly sunburn is not a
Good thing yeah you know um and uh so uh but I mean i’ all sorts of reasons we evolved in this absolutely unique Planet uh with uh D with an extraordinary totally unique distribution of land masses Down in Africa yeah the Earth is indeed a very
Uh unique and special place and uh it’s probably the topic of another video but my personal belief is that we are the only Advanced life in the cosmos because of all the uh all the requirements that have to be just right uh to to generate life yeah and I I
Was when I was in um sort of winding my profession down uh in private practice which which was also very interesting I went into private practice with my wife who was a GP and so she knew lots of things that I didn’t know and vice versa
And we we uh but I I have always been interested in art and in in Chinese Antiquities and it was actually in it was nearly 25 years ago that I discovered the hongshan culture and in fact I’ve written a book uh this is the book hongshan Jade Treasures uh the art iconography and
Authentication of carvings from China finest Neolithic culture rather pretentious subtitle but I I wrote that book and I got it published published locally here actually in in in Italy wonderful Publishers these are the Publishers for the Catholic church and um this is interesting and relevant because I found that it was obvious and
This is described in the book if you looked got a microscope and and looked the the pieces looked at the art and looked at the the mostly most of these are little pieces uh uh and because the dealers in Hong Kong know about it they know that that Western collectors don’t want
Things polished to the eyeballs I was able to study this and and I and became but it’s totally denied the hongshan culture uh I mean the the Chinese do know about it and a lot of you know the the pig dragons and the icons that are common
But there’s also a big faking in industry and it undercuts the business model of people because the the things that were buried and people were buried with their stuff and this is an amazing culture which uh which uh then ultimately um there was some sort of meteorite impact on production of um a
Form of glass from an impact there’s an example one piece that I’ve got a rhinoceros now you I I I Pro I think I paid 20 $20 for this on eBay uh and what they’re doing now they’re still mining this stuff they’re still quarrying it but they’re making things like this
Silly glass B s you know I mean it’s mindboggling so there’s a denial of the obvious and denial of the past in China which um is sad but it means obviously if you’re collecting this stuff and and and you believe your own eyes and uh you know it it’s been um
Been very interesting supplementary um uh hobby but the reason this is relevant is that um this was this glass would have been generated by a meteorite impact um probably around about 12,000 years ago that could have potentially well we know there’s been bottlenecks for Humanity in the past um
That’s why we’re all so closely related um and that gives rise to the possibility well well the the the fact that human beings are lucky to be here we could have been we’re very lucky we’re here in an absolute and Incredibly narrow uh window of SpaceTime and what is you know what
We’ve got now is we have uh we’ve got a psychopathic um Financial system um that is run for people who are already very wealthy and I’m afraid much of this does derive from uh um another English-speaking country uh um across the Pacific or across the Atlantic
Maybe um the um but it’s very very interesting I’m very interested in the work of Graham hanok uh and his collaborators and the the there’s evidence overwhelming evidence that there was a major a major disaster which nearly wiped out Humanity 12,900 years ago at the towards the end
Of the last ice age so in in a way these meteorite this meteorite impact of the past could have caused Extinction of humanity and we’re seeing this as kind of an analogy for what could go wrong I mean people people are so arrogant and complacent that they think
We’re going to be here forever but actual Extinction or near Extinction of humanity is still a possibility yes well um after after the the the younger drus um disaster whether it was caused by what my my argument is slightly different from but essentially in agreement that there was a meteorite
Impact there was a massive explosion under the ice sheet which caused the Carolina Bays produce them and the Nebraska rainwater basins now if you’re hit I mean Antonio zamoras calculated the size of these I mean some of the Carina Bays were caused by a a chunk of
Glass the size of the Yankee Stadium I don’t know how big that is but that’s in his book so you know it would not have been a good time and this was the time when the Clovis people the culture in the United States what is now the United
States were wiped out in an instant and all of the big mammals and of course afterwards there was a massive there were massive fires all over the United States massive blockout of sunlight and the you know the the arguments of of um uh that there was a sophisticated Advanced culture that that actually
Understood about the Earth understood that we were part of um of space and they they these this culture it’s all denied by professionals just as the work by farstone showing the the and colleagues is has been been uh denied and the I the the the book by Antonio
Zora is really worth getting it’s really good book and anybody you know he argues he’s a very very good scientist but not qualified to be talking about this any more than I’m qualified to be talking about meteoritic glass it’s just that the people who should be talking about
It seem to have shut their brains off but the point is this this glass came from a meteorite impact and uh that that that well I eliminated human beings it’s possible the glass uh is still being quarried in China I’ve got absolutely but I Ian I’ve been there several
Occasions back in uh starting in 2010 I think I know where where the craters are and I I’m pretty sure I know where the glasses and I uh I suspect that these two events are linked I’m putting submitted an article to greme Hancock arguing for my case which is slightly
Different from but you know this is how science is supposed to work people are supposed to start with a hypothesis and then refine it and and not declare like certain people I am the science you remember you know who probably know who I’m talking about there there’s a few candidates for that
But I can think of one or two yes no I agree it’s all about these are interesting hypotheses that can be discussed but I mean the the the key the key thing to me is that there’s been threats to humanity in the past and uh
You know will we be here in a hundred years and we won’t be here forever no oh we should we should you know uh offenheim uh inventing the atom bomb that’s totally that was totally irresponsible and the people who’ve invented these viruses that are work working as bioweapons sponsored by by
I’m sorry sponsored by the Pentagon and DARPA and you know absolutely outrageous what is happening we should be concentrating on humanity and making life better for people uh not wasting money giving people cancer because they’ve got D deficiency uh and uh you know the we and looking at the science behind previous
Extinctions and looking at the messages the messages that were that were provided by people like uh Paul Paul a violet which I this is a book that I’ve uh been reading Genesis of the cosmos it’s a very difficult book but you know these are arguments that actually are
Predecessors we aren’t the we just think we’re the clever clogs Humanity but there were very very clever clogs people there for probably 14 15,000 years ago uh and you know the people who made the pyramids come on who’s they that you know this is we should be concentrating on positive things and not
Making bowars but I think looking back at the past and and potential near Extinction events can warn us how to avoid future Extinction events I mean do you think viral research laboratory based viral research is is a threat to human existence yeah well Ebola was Ebola and zika there’s evidence that these are
These are you know tailored viruses and released you know there this is the the essence of the case that Joseph tritter and I have put to the international criminal court is that if you are working on a bioweapon you should be held responsible for your actions sorry this is the case
And uh you know you can’t hide behind the fact that you’re receiving lots of money from the Pentagon and you’re being or you’re being told by your supervisor to do it that didn’t work that wasn’t supposed to work at neurenberg 1 and the international criminal court
In the ha should look please at Joseph tritos on my submission from June of 2022 and we we’re putting together supplemented submissions the people people have to be held responsible for their action and these are bioweapons and the you know I mean that’s another story altogether but
Please let’s get back to empathic people running the world and not people who are making excess money just by reinvesting money uh and then claiming that they’re doing it for uh the for the future of humanity because we’re all threatened by the next pandemic that’s what really gets on my
Nerves that’s what what annoys me the most is the hypocrisy of it you know you’ve got people acting in their own interests claiming that they’re doing it for the good of humanity and our our role is to sit around and say oh thank you yeah it’s just just just no I mean I
Argue that don’t if you look the end of the book but I’ve one or two people commented to me that they like the idea that you know PE people that there has to be a limit on how much money one person can earn you know maybe set it at 10 or
Hundred million dollar but not billions and billions you know sorry uh and not cashing in by just people reinvesting uh you know money has to be returned to its function which is as as a means of barter as a opposed to a tool of control yes a a dictatorial rod of of uh
Dictatorship unfortunately as David Cartland has uh said Dr David caran who’s been struck off by the GMC for refusing to give these toxic vaccines to people he quotes some doctors who are not get getting vaccinated themselves but are vaccinating their patients that is not part of the hypocritic
Oath and people need to realize it’s not Never Too Late to Turn Back people but it’s really important now that that there is an up upwelling of protest against what is going on and uh on that note thank you very thank you very much David it’s been a great great great
Discussion combined with the other ones we will put the link to and uh we have we have per we have persevered we persevered through a few technical difficulties and of course we will we will put the link to download uh the David and David uh David Anderson and
David Grimes book and I’ll also put the link to that excellent interview I did with David Grimes as well so people can uh
