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Unlock the secrets to optimal health I delve into the world of nutrients with Cameron Cogswell of https://www.myvitaminscore.com/ (so affordable, science-based and use my code SANDYK to get a 25% discount). Cameron is an Orthomolecular Medicine Practioner and look out for his book coming soon.
Get ready to challenge everything you thought you knew about vitamins, deficiencies, and your body’s unique needs. In our conversation, we tackle the myths surrounding standard blood tests and the one-size-fits-all approach to vitamin intake, exposing the shortcomings of these methods and the importance of personalized assessments. Cameron’s expertise shines as we dissect the complex relationship between nutrient deficiencies and chronic illness, emphasizing the vital role of professional guidance in therapeutic supplementation from a qualified practitioner. This isn’t your general physician, nor is it your personal trainer.
If you’re looking to work with someone on diet, supplementation, and lifestyle, look to a Holistic Nutritionist with a college diploma (not someone who calls themself a nutritionist after a weekend retreat), a Naturopathic Doctor or an Integrative Medicine Physician.
Have you ever wondered why your energy levels dip or why that stubborn cold just won’t go away? Join us as we reveal the significance of the oft-overlooked B vitamins and their synergistic role in our metabolic processes. Our discussion ventures into the common nutrient deficiencies plaguing North America, and why the cheapest vitamins off drugstore shelves could be doing more harm than good. Learn why your daily multivitamin might not be enough, and how to distinguish between the misleading guidelines and the advice that truly matters for your health. Cameron and I also explore the concept of “acquired vitamin dependency,” stressing the need to address basic nutritional imbalances before considering advanced health hacks.
Wrapping up our in-depth conversation, we scrutinize the body’s intricate method of nutrient prioritization, which often results in deceptive blood test results. I share personal anecdotes and professional insights into the elusive symptoms of vitamin D deficiency and the innovative methods I’ve developed to identify nutrient shortfalls with precision. Whether you’re a health enthusiast or simply looking to fine-tune your well-being, this episode promises to equip you with the knowledge to tailor your supplementation to your body’s unique demands. And with the specter of censorship casting a shadow over health discourse, we encourage you to venture beyond conventional platforms and embrace a world of unrestricted health wisdom.
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You’re ready ready to rock in three two 1 hi everyone welcome to Sandy k nutrition health and lifestyle Queen today with me I have a return guest and he is amazing and he’s a fellow Canadian and I love chatting with Cameron so his name I’ll give you his full name it’s
Cameron Cogswell he’s a nutritionist and orthomolecular health practitioner he consulted for Canada’s largest health and wellness companies as well as the Women’s National Hockey League Cameron realized there was a lack of meaningful ways to measure our own vitamin needs and created the my vitamin score assessment as a noninvasive way to
Understand your vitamin needs from home he also happens to be an author and his upcoming book book is called how the [ __ ] are you supposed to know which vitamins you need and you know me I’m not going to bleep anything out even though in the title I
Believe in the title you do but I’m like what am I gonna say how the F like do you want me to say that anyway today we are going to discuss common symptoms and consequences of nutrient deficiencies and why blood work may be useless to identify these deficiencies so with that
Welcome Cameron thank you so much for coming thank you CIA I’m really happy to be back and we had a great conversation last time although we don’t talk very often when we do I I love it it’s it’s just so fun so you know I’m glad I’m
Really glad to be back it is and and you know I think I remember the last time we the last time we recorded I started coughing like I was choking oh my God started laughing yeah it was pretty F you okay yeah you’re like are you okay meanwhile I’m like coughing like crazy
Yeah I remember that yeah so I I would love for you and and I’m going to put in the show notes I hope I remember to put that episode in the show notes so anybody can refer back to it but you know give us a little background of your
Work and and tell us what you’re up to yeah so I mean I can go way back and I’ll give you like the Cole’s notes but um I originally went to school for architecture and I think I might have mentioned that to you last time and um
You know how the universe will push you in the right direction whether you want it or not at the time but I was being pushed out of architecture I didn’t enjoy it and I actually uh worked for the government for a short time when I
Was 19 years old so I was very young I was hired to build mapping systems for the government I mean it was a huge job with a lot of responsibilities and um no one knew what I was doing they didn’t understand the technology so even the people in the
Government had no idea what I was doing or how to do it and that’s kind of why they pulled me straight from University but I sat in front of a computer all day I didn’t talk to a single soul I had an assistant who I would send out into the
Field to get data points for me to build a digital system anyways it’s not important but I hated it and at the time I was living in literally a halfway house because I was working for the county of Oxford there’s no place to like rent a room there so it’s just like
The worst situation you could be in and my roommate passed away while I was living there and we didn’t know until the cops kicked his door down five days later and found his dead body been dead for five days and it was just it was
Yeah I I won’t go into the whole story but it was it was a Surefire sign for me to like this is something’s not right here I feel it inside me even though at 19 I didn’t have the you know inherent wisdom of trusting my gut and intuition
But I knew something was right I called up the dean I want out and I switched into Kinesiology which I loved so when I was studying Kinesiology I got a little hint for nutrition and I fell in love even more I was like holy [ __ ] like I
Can eat this and feel this way and eat something else and feel a different way whether it was good or bad I knew there was something different whatever I ate or how I nourished my body changed how I felt how I acted how I slept everything
So I got a taste of it when I studied Kinesiology then when I finished Kinesiology um I did a postgrad in nutrition so I became a registered nutritionist and after that I became a registered or a Molecular Health practitioner and that’s concentrated more on vitamins and using vitamins as
Medicine so like vitamins rather than drugs it’s kind of saying the nutritional environment of the body is what’s going to facilitate health or disease so let’s you know enhance your the nutritional environment of your body rather than using drugs which just cover symptoms so I became a registered orthomolecular Health
Practitioner then I also did continue education courses um for inadequacies and vitamin deficiency SE and large and subpopulations um and so that was at Oregon State University at the lonus Pauling Institute so everything like yeah yeah you went to lineus paing you did I didn’t know that yeah very cool so
That’s where I really got into like oh wow okay it’s not just the body that was like Kinesiology and Physiology then it was nutrition then it was orthomolecular was line so it’s all like narrowing down into this like really small niche of like vitamins and vitamin needs and not
Just needs but inadequacies and deficiencies and how they play out in different populations and it was just fascinating to me um so that’s where I am and with that yeah like you said in the introduction I realized and this is going back years before I went to lonus
PO suit like how are you supposed to know what vitamins you how the [ __ ] are you supposed to know yeah I worked at a health food store the same time that I went to the University of watero I was going back on weekend K and working just
To try to earn some money during University Sandy the number one thing people would ask me in the store and whether it was an outright question or whether it was just underlying in the symptoms they were asking about is what vitamins do I need how was I supposed to
Know and this is how a lot of people find out like the number one way people buy vitamins and why they decide to buy the vitamins they do is on the advice of usually a stranger whether it’s someone they saw on Instagram they look up to um
A friend a neighbor so not necessarily A Stranger in that regard or a health food store employee at 19 years old I was that employee people would come in and say I have dry skin what do I take and even though I might have been well-intentioned how the hell am I
Supposed to know what you need honestly I had no idea so I was guessing for people and they were taking the advice of a 19-year-old working in this store and if they had asked my coworker maybe they would have had a different recommendation so the question just kept
Like circling my how are you really supposed to know what you need and not to jump too far ahead Sandy but underlying that what you need is simply what you’re lacking right I mean you’re not going to take a vitam if you have optimal levels of vitamin D taking more isn’t going to
Give you a therapeutic benefit so the only vitamins you want to go out and buy or purchase online are the ones that you’re lacking so essentially I’m trying to determine what people are lacking by them coming into a store and asking me I mean how would I know just looking at
Them what they’re lacking biochemically I wouldn’t and no one would and that’s the problem okay I’m GNA make a maybe it’s a bold statement but I feel like it’s kind of I feel like it’s a good statement that you might agree with I don’t know but I am of the
Belief that the majority I actually wrote this in my book I know you get this right like you’re because you’re writing a book too yeah majority of illnesses begin with a nutrient deficiency of some sort I love that that is exactly what I not only believe but what the literature
Shows and it’s funny you say that and not funny I suppose but the medical system and this isn’t a bash on the medical system I don’t want to be about that I don’t want to be known as someone who’s against the medical system or not I’ve used it three surgeries my God yes
But hundreds of years ago 50 years ago 60 years ago we were I suppose unhealthy or requiring the medical system because there were infectious diseases okay all of the infectious diseases of the past from the 1500s 1600s 1700s the plagues we’ve now wipe those out we don’t see those
Anymore and modern medicine has fixed those and we can give anti biotics and and and suppress those things and and that’s done so now we’re dealing with an epidemic of debilitating diseases things that build up over time chronic illnesses that start a decade in the past so the end
Result the disease that we’re dealing with they never tie it back to what started 10 years ago which were nutritional deficiencies things that are missing in the body that the body requires we’re not giving them in sufficient quantities and over time the metabolic damage that’s occurring is I
Don’t want to say irreversible gets worse and worse and worse until yes you develop an illness a condition a disease and it all started 10 years ago so they’re never tied together and that is a huge problem it’s what we’re seeing today oh my God you’re totally speaking
My language because I always say and you and I were talking about this initially that okay I understand we can’t control absolutely everything I can’t control if I go for a walk right now and some crazy driver doesn’t hit me right like I can’t control everything however if I have the tools to
Know that you know I potentially have some symptoms then maybe I can tie it back to a nutritional deficiency and maybe I can mitigate my risks for those symptoms to potentially develop into disease for sure yeah that’s exactly what it is and and and I’ll take it one step
Further Sandy excuse me the commonly referred to reasons or causes of disease and conditions and and some people will agree or disagree it’s like okay I have a bad immune system or poor gut health or environmental toxins or my genetics so or inflammation we hear all these like buzzword and it’s like that’s
What’s causing disease the number one problem is inflammation okay well for me at least that still doesn’t explain where this originally started how did inflammation start okay par me vitamins and minerals are antioxidants okay and they reduce inflammation if you are insufficient inadequate deficient whatever you want
To call it in vitamins and minerals your inflammatory markers and Cascade is going to run a mock yes it’s obvious we know that that’s the science it’s it’s proen and true now your gut health if your gut health is impaired your vitamin and adequacies are going to be all over
The place because the gut produces some vitamins and it helps obviously with the absorption and assimilation of all of your vitamins so I mean all of these things and like you said there’s very little that people can do to control the environmental toxins that we’re breathing in right now can’t control
That genetics yes you can balance them and optimize them but there’s little we can do to change our genetics as they are okay yes we can optimize things there’s very little we can do to change our past medical history but what we do have control over is our nutrition how
We nourish our body if we fill in those nutritional gaps to stifle some of the the disease that might happen down the road and of course to correct some of the symptoms that we have now yeah and so people always ask me this question
All the time I eat well do I even really need supplements and I know my answer but I want to hear yours my answer is yes for sure I mean this is one of the chapters in my my book too that yeah you can okay if you carefully select
Everything you eat and you eat organic and you cook your food minimally because the more you cook the more nutrients you lose and it’s all organic and you carefully select a variety and your digestion is perfect and you’re absorbing all the nutrients then is it possible um yeah maybe it’s possible but
I think it’s impractical it’s difficult and it’s expensive now the the other thing and I don’t want to get too far away from the question because you ask me directly and and I think no you need supplements I really believe that because very few people live that way
And even if you do your nutrient needs can change like this hourly daily the nutritional needs of myself today will be different tomorrow will be different the next day will be different in Winter than they are in summer so even if you’re eating well all year
Round are you sure are you sure that it’s meeting your Ever Changing nutrient needs even if you’re eating a diverse and high nutrient profile in your Foods what if you have surgery and you still go back to eating really well but now your need for Vitamin C is five times
Higher than it was yesterday are you changing that in your diet to correct for those imbalances that just happen because again we can’t control the environment and what happens to us in our past medical history so I think it’s possible but I think it’s highly unlikely and then we also don’t grow our
Own food I was I was actually talking and and and so even if we do grow our own food we do not have control of you know what they call drift so you know you might be because I see this where people in the GTA are putting in instead
Of Lawns they’re they’re on their front lawn they’re making it a garden which I think is brilant but you can’t control the drift from your next door neighbor that’s spraying pesticides yeah right yeah well wasn’t there a big um lawsuit about that with Monsanto like how Monsanto has these
Like seeds that are obviously genetically modified and this guy it was in one of these documentaries and I forget the name but how this guy wanted to have this like organic farm and some of their seeds drifted over and ruined it for him now he’s like f like now my
My crops aren’t organic and they sued him because he didn’t pay for the seeds and it’s like oh my God I mean that’s another story but yeah like to what you said Sandy you can’t control that how do you know I mean what you plant even if
You’re doing it this and taking care I mean the qualiity is not there are are I mean even though some people are brilliant I I don’t know what I need in the soil to make sure that cabbage is perfect or lettuce is perfect or carrots or beets or whatever I’m growing they do
Require slightly different nutrient levels in the soil and my God I don’t know what those are no and the other thing too is that you know regenerative farming is so big now where you’re supposed to rotate the crops you’re supposed to even if you have if you uh
Raise animals you’re supposed to um rotate their grazing areas like there’s so much involved so the reason we do have many nutrient deficiencies is because we don’t live that way anymore I have parents who were traditional farmers and they did things like the old school way and I laugh Cameron when I
See you know 100% organic vegetarian fed chickens I’m like but chickens aren’t vegetarians people right so you’re there the only way is if they’re pasture raised yeah and you know there’s so much health wash in in the world right now and people unless you’re in our industry you just
Don’t know so we’ve covered that now we know we need supplements for sure for sure we need them for many reasons and I think what you said there at the beginning makes a lot of sense where you said often what happens is these nutrient deficiencies build so we you
Know this this podcast isn’t about health agenda and you know everybody in the world should become vegan which I think is the biggest load of [ __ ] in my mind because they’re they’re they’re actually perpetuating a a whole agenda for people to be eating highly processed foods yeah highly processed and sprayed
Yep and you know what I mean like so that’s a whole other conversation probably have that another time but you know all of these things together are really contributing to deficiencies over time it’s not like you’re going to see it in a day yeah well and and that’s um
A really great Point Sandy and I say that to a lot of people in the same way that if you smoke one cigarette you won’t feel anything but we absolutely know that if you continue that habit for years what’s going to happen illness disease and death and in the same way if
I miss my nutrients or I eat a nutrient poor diet for a day a week I won’t feel anything but if you continue that for months years you will have the exact same result of the smoking illness disease and yes possible death now it’s unlikely that you’re going to have such depleted
Levels have zero that you’re actually going to die from a nutrient deficiency but it is possible and yeah so in the same way that you will never feel the ill effects of one cigarette you’re not going to feel the ill effects of one or two days of inadequate nutrient intake
Either so people ignore it and they don’t get it and then they get vague symptoms which they just say are well it’s probably just normal or it’s nothing and they ignore it and it perpetuates the problem then that metabolic damage is being done yes or
Aging that’s a big one oh you know I’m not 20 anymore cam so you know meanwhile I’m like listen I’m I’m gonna be 54 and I’m feeling younger than my 40s so nutrients matter oh% so let me ask you this because I’ve heard this um there’s
A book I don’t know if you’ve read it called the mineral fix no no but I’m going to write it down it’s Dr James oh God I always mess up his name oh yeah Dr James I know what you’re talking about you know what I’m talking about he’s
Also written the Obesity fix anyway he’s great he’s a great resource but I think it was him that said minerals think of minerals as like a foundation so if your minerals are imbalanced or severely depleted the vitamins are more difficult to absorb even what are your thoughts on that yeah
Well they they all work together and the only thing I’ll say is that when we process food when we spray the fields like you were saying vitamins are more likely to be damaged than minerals minerals can sustain some damage and stay intact so it’s really the vitamins
That get reduced when we do processing packaging freezing of foods before we eat them the vitamins are destroyed very quickly carbohydrates and minerals can sustain some of this kind of damage um but yes they’re required they work together they work synergistically and I tell people this is the best analogy and
I try to use analogy so people get it because vitamins and minerals don’t need to be complicated it’s like you need them that’s why you should take them because you need them not because it’s good for this or good for that all get this benefit you take them because you require
Them but I use this analogy if you’re building cars okay and you have tires let’s just say each of these things is a vitamin or mineral you have tires from one supplier you get engines from another supplier and you get the body from another supplier if I have four
Sets of tires but I have 10 engines and and and 10 frames how many cars can I make I can only make four cars because that’s the limit of the lowest supplied part right if I only have four sets of tires I can’t build six cars it’s the
Same thing for vitamins and minerals you will work as benefici or as optimally as the lowest supplied nutrient because just like you said they do work synergistically they absorb together they work as co-enzymes they’re co-actors in all of the processes that the body needs to survive so if you’re
Lacking one all of the others will be disrupted yeah you know oh my gosh I have so many questions for you because I see a lot of people take B12 oh yeah because it’s tested right but back in nutrition College I was always taught because I took two two of my
Courses were symptomatology oh yeah yeah I went to I went to csnn so we went to a couple of the bigger schools in in Canada so I was always taught that if you do take B12 let’s say you do need a little more B12 for whatever the reasons we’ll get into the testing
Soon that you should also take a methylated b complex with it yeah well what are your thoughts yeah so I in in my test now this is for a couple different reasons like and again we’ll get into the whole testing later so I’ll leave some of the reasons I only test
For B complex you can test like whether it’s through whatever you whatever measure you want to do but even through um symptomatic testing you can test for Every B vitamin but they have to be used together and and like you said earlier yeah yeah they’re synergistic and they’re water soluble anyway so
Something like cellular respiration okay using oxygen in our body you must have b vitamins you must also have amino acids to make the enzymes so if you’re Brea breathing which we are we need that we need oxygen ourselves how do your cells respirate they need to use the oxygen to
Pull energy from carbohydrates from protein from fats so we kind of know that like most people know yeah we get our energy from the foods but how do we actually extract the energy from these macronutrients you need oxygen and you need but D vitamins so amino acids are
Required to build the enzyme but what goes in the enzyme what pairs with it a co-enzyme that’s what vitamins are they’re just co-enzymes they pair with an enzyme they complete a process so every stage of cellular respiration requires B vitamins the B complex all of them they all work together so if you’re
Missing either the amino acids that make the enzymes like the structure of it or the co-enzymes cellular respiration it’ll continue but it’ll be impaired right the less and less you have it’s very unlikely that that anyone doesn’t have enough amino acids to make the enzymes because they can pull it from
Our body I mean protein is stored in our body we can pull it from our muscle we can pull it from food quite easily and it’s stored within cells itself every cell has amino acids that it can pull from a pool of them to make enzymes so
It’s much more you know I suppose vitamins are much more vulnerable than amino acids to be missing so we need the amino acids we’re very very like rarely going to be low on those but we can be low on the B vitamins and if you’re you know completing cellular respiration
Every day your B vitamins will be depleted in two days yeah so you need all of them just for cellular I mean that’s just one thing we need them for and they’re depleted within days so I would take all of them I would never say
Oh just take B12 or just take this take all of them because they’re all going to be flushed out within a couple days anyways yeah and you know now that you’re saying that I’ve I’ve talked talked about this about how certain nutrients are very difficult to let’s say
Overdo I’m not going to say overdose because they’re not drugs um but overdue but B vitamins are one of them because it’s water soluble quick and quick out um so what are some of the most seen nutrient deficiencies in North America let’s say yeah so according to the research
Pottassium is number one really y potassium is number one um so that’s according to the CDC studies so I I try to use the studies that other people who even if they’re not you know into vitamins or they don’t quite believe it okay they kind of believe the CDC you
Know they’ll they’ll listen to the bigger authorities right even if even if we don’t agree with everything they do conduct some studies that we can use so their studies um they basically take tens of thousands thousand of people assess their diets count the nutrients in everything that they eat and then
Report back and create like this National survey and potassium is the number one nutrient missing and they compare it to What’s called the E so this is the estimated average requirement against the E they said that 98% of the population isn’t consuming enough so I mean that is almost 100% now
The other thing and not to make this too confusing but you yourself might find this interesting why do they compare to the e no one thinks about that they just okay look at it 98% is terrible no matter what but the E is an estimated average requirement it’s not your
Recommended daily amount if you notice estimated average requirement is the level at which 50% of the population is expected to be deficient so I mean 98% of people don’t even consume that level so I mean if you comp to like a level that’s considered adequate let alone optimal probably 100%
Of people don’t consume enough so pottassium is number one um vitamin D is up there as well um some of the smaller like trace minerals where you don’t need much like manganese selenium most people get enough but there’s not a single nutrient that your body requires that
They estimate 100% of people are getting enough of so we’re missing almost all of them um in terms of the you know how they give you a recommended daily allowance oh yeah so you know what does that mean let’s let’s break that that term down because you know I I always tell
People not to go to Costco to buy their vitamins and no nothing against Costco I love Costco who doesn’t love a Costco trip you know easy $300 when you leave yeah every time but my husband hates it for that reason I’m just kidding um but you know I I’m
Just not a big fan of when I see supplements on their shelf that for example is using cyano cobalamin yeah yeah for sure and people don’t really understand that the form in in the nutrients that you take matters so you know you look on that bottle and you see
RDA recommended daily allowance what does that mean for people who are listening to this podcast so you brought up like a couple good points Andy I try to take a very gentle approach with people I believe what I believe and if I’m on a podcast like this I’ll say it
Straight when I’m working with clients and they tell me oh you know I’ve been buying the Costco vitamin I’m gentle with them because they’re making a conscious decision to try to put nutrients in their body good point good good job you know you’re doing something right rather than me
Jumping down down their throat because they’ll go online they’ll read you know the Costco vitamins are [ __ ] and this and they are they are but they were out in the store and rather than picking up the ice cream or you know maybe that’s in their shopping cart too but they went
To the shelf and they picked it up and they paid money for it and they’re putting it in their body so they’re they’re aware and by virtue of awareness we do get healthier right and that’s been proven just by being aware of something so I try to be very gentle
With them but the form yeah it it matters so much and and when so you said like cyano rather than methyl kabum I mean that’s a great example but yeah the RDA how these were you know defined goes back a long way so in 1988 they established this committee who
Was going to go and determine hold on a second did you say 1988 yeah and has it changed since then they will change them periodically but the basis for them this is the interesting part and and here’s the thing how would you know Sandy and that’s why I’m gentle with people like
Go back to the cyano cabalan how do you know it’s cheaper to make so they put it in there how would the average person know the education around vitamins minerals nutrition is terrible and that’s part of my book as well it’s terrible so I don’t blame people and I’m
Gentle with them but going back to 1988 they developed a committee to investigate safe upper limits and to kind of deter like what is the required amount of vitamins for people to take the most important part without going into the specifics of every single vitamin they were told right away you
Can do no new research so there will be no human studies they will not consider human studies only in vitro and animal studies and they were told to ignore all health benefits of vitamins just to strictly look at where does harm happen or where do it potentially happen and
That’s where we’re going to make the decisions around recommended intake levels so they were told you can’t do any new research so you got to use what’s available to you well sometimes what was available I’ll send you this after the podcast too sometimes what was available was an animal study that
Looked at cows taking high doses of B6 and now that’s how they’re going to decide what humans need so the way that they went about the you know experiment or the investigation to begin with was flawed right from the beginning because it was biased I mean how can you look at
Vitamins and minerals ignore all health benefits I mean what is the point of the research then if not to understand how these impact our health so what they did is they would take animal studies and again you can go off on so many tangents here because the USDA I mean or the you
Know the agricultural department they understand that optimal vitamin intake is so important for animals that they will give cattle because a sick animal is an animal they can’t make money off the sick human they can make money off this is a huge distinction that people don’t think about a sick animal is
Useless to them that costs them money and it loses them money in the potential product that they can sell they understand what optimal dosing is so the USDA the levels that they recommend for like hens cattle pigs all that stuff is way higher because they know if they
Don’t do that then the cows and the animals get diseases so they give them these optimal vitamin intakes so they grow really well and they’re strong and they produce strong Offspring and they can kind of keep that lineage going so they can keep making money so when they
Found out like a potential potential side effect of like and I think it was B6 they gave cows something like 300,000 milligrams a day which is completely absurd even if you you know do it weight to weight and you balance it like divide it so you know it’s an
Average weight of a human let’s say 150 pounds they were giving something like 3,000 milligrams per kilogram of body weight which is absolutely insane and it caused some side effects I think it was like I can’t remember exactly in this one study but it had some side effects
So they said oh my God okay there side effects at 3,000 milligrams per kilogram let’s make the recommended dose let’s divide it by 10 because that was for animals and and now let’s make it for human now let’s divide it by another 10 because well people can be different
Than that and they just keep dividing and dividing down on these really arbitrary values they were essentially fabricated I mean why divide it by 10 and not six there was really no reason other than they just kept getting it down and down and down and then they made the
Values like so meaning schol that it’s not even enough for a mouse so they decided on the values based off animal studies alone no human studies and they were to ignore all health benefits that’s the most important take takeway for how they determine these quote ignore all health benefits
Yeah yeah that’s the biggest takeaway I mean I couldn’t believe that when they were told that they were instructed and yet there’s that whole self-care framework that just came into place a few years ago we won’t get into that yeah yeah that’s but I could because it it’s
Just so conflicting right well it’s funny because when they were coming up with the values for vitamin C now remember this is 1988 they didn’t put out their report until 2003 they were doing this research for a really long time yeah they didn’t know what to do
When it came to vitamin C they used the same math divided by 10 or divided by 10 divided by 10 they had these you know they called them whatever like different variable factors that they would divide it by to make sure it’s right for humans
What they did for vitamin C is when they got to a th000 milligrams like well some people can can still have digestive discomfort at a th000 milligrams like yeah I mean some people are allergic to water you can’t make it perfect for everyone rather than because we always
Sold in like 500 milligrams right vitamin C is always 500 milligrams and people been taking that and feeling good and nothing bad has happened to them for decades so when they got to vitamin C they were at a th000 milligrams they said well now we have to divide by a
Factor of three because well that’s what we did for every other nutrient that got them to 3 33 and they were like holy [ __ ] we can’t say that because now we’re going to say that everyone who buys vitamin C at 500’s overdosing but there’s been no side effects so they
Disregarded their own rules and just stuck it at 500 so I mean they’re just playing with numbers there’s really yes there’s some science behind it but it’s just okay so that makes it super confusing for people not like us cuz I mean like we’re pretty brilliant as it relates to supplementation some would
Say some would say some would say I’m just kidding um no but like for people who are not trained in supplements and therapeutic grade supplementation it makes it very confusing oh my god of course of course so because there’s dosage there is type like we talked about like cyano cabalan is probably not
A great form for the majority of the human population yeah um so you know I know we’re going to get into the the how do we know I know but I have to ask what okay we we said B vitamins is that what we said B vitamins you said vitamin D
What are the top five oh yeah so um I have it here in front of me I pulled it up so uh potassium is number one at 98% of people we not meeting the daily requirements so this is from the CDC funded study okay okay cassium number
Two at 95% is vitamin D yeah at 94% of people again this is 94% not meeting the estimated average requirement okay 94% is vitamin E after that at 71% is Vitamin K so it seems to be a lot of the fat soluble vitamins um and and that’s of course
Because water soluble vitamins they in they fortify and they put in enrich foods and stuff so people generally do get you know a decent supply of that but I mean all of them I mean I can go down the list I mean 50% aren’t meeting calcium 60% 61% sorry aren’t meeting
Magnesium um B vitamins it’s at 15% so again much lower but I wouldn’t want to be that 15% anyway right so and then vitamin A is at 50% okay you want to hear something really interesting this is so interesting at least this is applicable in the United States I’m going to assume it’s
Applicable in Canada too yeah for sure but if you’re buying fortified foods that are let’s say fortified with B vitamins or it says fortified with folic acid instead of folate if you are not buying organic you are getting the for vitamin for fortification of the cheapest form in
The food that you’re buying yeah so it’s garbage yes so as you know cam some people really it can do harm it can actually do harm to them if they’re taking folic acid instead of folate for sure for sure and I mean here’s the thing with the
Enrichment and this is part of my book too like I go really deep on everything why things happen how we’re misled by The Big Three which I consider like the government they mislead Us by coming up with these numbers by putting out the studies by you know what they believe
And what they put out about vitamins official health standpoints and statements about nutrition I mean they put out food pyramids but it’s hard to find anything on vitamins they usually say uh you know take at the discretion of your health care practitioner right yeah who who by the way people who
Happens they’re referring to a doctor who has never received any training in supplementation zero so go to the right expert people please I just have to note that Cameron well that yeah and that’s another Point too I mean we can go on forever this is why people are misled
Less than 5% of all doctors get any training in nutrition and the 5% that do is because they chose to they chose to take those courses it’s not mandatory so zero % of doctors are required to study nutrition never mind understand the intricate interplay of vitamins and
Minerals and how to understand when you need them and what doses work for what people never mind that just less than 5% get even a cursory review of nutrition in general okay so that’s the government the medical system and then there’s the Natural Health Care system which also
Misleads people by putting shiny objects up now there are some wonderful people in all of these places I’m not saying otherwise but the natural Healthcare Community always has an answer they always have an answer oh you need this you need this you need this but they’ve
Also done nothing to make any Headway in the deficiency crisis these numbers have not gotten better since the natural Healthcare Community came out yes we have access to them but we still don’t know which ones are best for us right so I say all three of those mislead you but
Going back to what you were saying about like the enrichment of food the vitamins that they put in are exactly like you said the absolute worst garbage vitamins and then they’re put in and then the food is still froze Frozen and packaged so even the ones that they enrich with
By the time that you put the food in your body and digest it you’re getting scraps you’re getting a little tiny bit of even what’s on the label okay so we we we touched on a lot already and common nutrients that most or a lot of the population are deficient
In what about Tes this is a big one because you saw you saw you see the smile on my face already this is yeah because it’s it’s it’s a very uh passionate area for you and you saw my interview with Dr Carolyn Dean she is the guru in magnesium and she actually
Wrote the book The magnesium miracle that many practitioners doctors alike all refer to for magn magnesium and she was saying if you are even it’s I think it’s a good example it is a mineral but you go and you get your magnesium checked if you the the the the actual value is such
A narrow value and if you’re even below by a tiny amount your body’s basically twitching as though you have Parkinson’s MH so what point is there for blood testing yeah and are there any nutrients that are of value to test in the blood yeah so I loved that interview because
She said something so wonderful and I think I even like wrote to you right she was saying you can’t test magnesium in the blood you can’t I mean you can you can physically do it and get a reading but there’s no point and the same thing
Goes for calcium so I’ll get to your question of which ones can use but the Magnesium point was so wonderful and I swear like the biggest smile on my face when I when I heard that like Chimes were going off yeah your body will do anything to survive that’s all it cares
About it doesn’t give a [ __ ] about muscle and that’s why when you stop working out it disappears your body only cares about survival it will divert nutrients to where they’re needed most and this is where like I want to make this easy for people but it can become you
Know very nuanced and there are a lot of little things and everyone’s so individual in their needs biochemical individuality we all require slightly different things we all lead different lives we all have different genetics we all have different pth medical histories we all express ourselves have different
Emotions so our bodily needs are all very different okay but the body is so smart that it will divert nutrients to where they need to go the electrolytes and calcium magnesium they are required in the blood for normal heart function for nerve function if the level in your
Blood drops down below well your hormon hormones send out signals to pull from their own body tissues it will destroy your own body tissues just to keep your blood levels even so you’re never going to measure your blood and say oh my God my magnesium my calcium is way low there
Are countless studies that prove that people can be in a state of osteoporosis and their blood level of calcium is absolutely normal because your body will keep pulling it from your bones to make sure that your blood stays even so what’s the point of measuring that when it is regular ated in the
Blood it must stay even your body will do that till its death till the day you die it will pull and Pull and pull from your own tissues just to make sure that your blood levels stay even so you’re never going to get a measurement that
Says oh yeah it’s way off I mean it just won’t happen and if it does just like what Dr Carolyn Dean said you’re basically twitching on a table exactly exactly right so it it is pretty fascinating because I often wonder this cam like okay my head spins with
Questions all the time and that’s why I have to turn everything off at night because otherwise I won’t sleep because the questions will just keep going in my head but I’m like so blood really is the transport for everywhere in the body oh my God yes
Right so sounds like you read my book already but yeah I know right because there’s something called homeostasis and I don’t think do you want to describe what that is to people because I don’t think people unless you’re in our community they don’t even know what homeostasis is yeah it’s the
Point of of regulation of just staying normal I suppose or Alive really homeostasis is the point where things are balanced right so you never want things to be too high never want things to be too low so homeostasis things are just inbalance things are functioning sort of as they should or things are
Just normal that’s how I describe it I wouldn’t say it’s optimal I just say homeostasis is living in a balanced state or your blood is in a balanced State your your blood yes like you said will always always regulate homeostasis so it will keep it in a very fine
Balance you’re gonna okay this might be to it’s a little bit off topic but I just had my cholesterol checked okay and I’m like you know I even wonder what’s the point of that and I’ll tell you why because you hear of so many people who will try and you
Know I I’m G to say mgive or their their their cholesterol test like okay I’m not GNA eat any fat for like you know three days before and I’m not so I’m like what’s the point and then they say to do it um fasting and then I’m like but but
You only fast pretty much unless you’re in you know one of these big fasters you’re only fasting overnight like what’s the point yeah I know there unless you’re testing regularly Cameron to see what is the trend it’s for me like I’m like I’m always looking for Trends yep that’s
Exactly you should always be looking for Trends or Pro how would you track it other than that I mean how would you know if you’re progressing otherwise like blood work is a snapshot a Polaroid picture right now what have I done recently and it can change within an
Hour it can change moreal it can change all the time and and even if like for calcium magnesium like we’re saying it will never change but your body certainly does your your cellular status of these nutrients will change and I don’t want to forget what you asked
About earlier you know are there any nutrients that I would trust in blood work and the answer for me is no for me is no I’ll give you one what about vitamin D cam I’m glad you asked you so I’ll give you the general and then I’ll say about vitamin E in general
Like I was mentioning earlier your body has this inherent wisdom about it it will take nutrients from where they’re less needed and put them to where they’re more crucially important of course in times of inadequacy and we’re all inadequate if you’re not taking the optimal amount which could be different
For every person your body will say well guess what I don’t need it here I’ll put it into my heart or I’ll put into my lungs or or a critical process that I need to survive so what happens in blood test is you can actually be in a state
Of deficiency your cells will break down and what they do is they break down and release what vitamins they have into the blood so they can be taken to where they’re needed so they can actually vitamins can be high in your blood because you’re deficient because your
Cells are breaking down to release their vitamins to go elsewhere in the body okay can you repeat that again like in a different way just to make sure that everyone gets that for sure okay okay let me try I want a different way because that’s a very important point
Just made yeah because I’ve heard this exact same thing well it happens it happens that your body will say oh my God and this okay I’ll try to say it this way we all have different symptoms that we usually live with like oh my God [ __ ] I wish I didn’t have dry skin
Whereas your brother or sister saying well I wish I didn’t have this problem you’re biochemically a little bit different and that’s where vitamin deficiencies or inadequacies again whatever you want to call them that’s where they attack they will manifest symptoms where you are biochemically weakest that means that part of your
Body is seen as not as important as another part and let’s just take like your hair for example some people well when they’re low on a certain vitamin their hair gets really dry or their hair starts to fall out because your body doesn’t give a [ __ ] about your hair
Looking shiny and beautiful it doesn’t care last case who cares yeah it cares that there’s enough vitamins in your cerebral spinal fluid to make sure that your brain is being nourished that’s much more important and we would agree of course it’s more important I’d rather
Be bald then my brain melts away and my brain can’t function this is what happens with people with dementia they all have low B12 in their cerebral spinal fluid but it looks normal in their blood so to go back to explaining a different way it will take vitamin for
Where they’re not as crucially important to survival and it will break down the cells in that area it’ll break down your hair cells and say give me those vitamins I’m G to put them in my brain okay so it will break down those cells release the vitamins into the blood now
You go and do a blood test oh your vitamins are high all fine it’s all no it’s because they’re being transported to another crucial area and this has been seen time and time again and that’s a perfect example is patients with dementia if they test their cerebral
Spinal fluid their B12 their other B complex vitamins are always low I’m not saying the deficiency causes dementia but it’s always low but when they test their blood it’s normal because it’s breaking down in other areas and being transported to the cerebral spinal fluid it’s needed there yeah so I guess a
Really good way of just saying it is the body’s always prioritizing ex it’s like alarm bells are going off ding ding ding ding ding we need you here so let’s let’s push that over to this area and and like you said the blood is the is the highway
It’s where the delivery take they’re delivering these nutrients to other areas now before I forget I’ll say the vitamin D I’m really glad you asked this because vitamin D is all over the place and this is part of my gripe or or my push for what I really believe why
Should we I’ll get to your question but like why is it that we should test vitamin D like why is it why is that more important than potassium or vitamin K or vitamin A why these things are like trendy for some reason like magnesium and vitamin D you hear it all the time
Well why is it any more likely that I need those two than I need something else well according to the evidence it’s not it’s not more likely but when they test for vitamin D they test for 25 hydroxy vitamin D this is the vitamin D that’s available in your blood now
That’s not the active form that’s inactive it’s unusable and it’s outside of your cells your body needs 125 dihydroxy vitamin D now the names don’t matter except there’s someone listening to this podcast that loves this kind of geek out on this stuff but 25 hydroxy vitamin D is unusable it’s
Inactive it’s outside of your cells 12 125 dihydroxy is active it’s usable and it’s inside your cells where the functions take place so they’re measuring what’s in your blood they’re measuring of vitamin D that’s inactive and unusable by the body it has to go to
Your liver it has to go to your kidneys it has to it has to be converted right and then it’s used by the cells so do you have a perfectly functioning kidneys do you have perfectly functioning liver why yes I do no maybe you do but I’m
Just kid I do not but but there are people who sure they do I’m not gonna be this person who says no one has a perfect liver although some would argue that maybe there are some people that do but I’m talking about general population the people who take this information oh
My God I have to go get a vitamin D test those are unfortunately the people who don’t have a perfectly functioning liver or set of kidneys or maybe they only have one kidney and they’re not converting it perfectly so we’re testing nutrients before they’re in their active
Form and we’re testing it outside of the cells what matters is the cellular status of your vitamins and blood testing measures what’s outside of your cells so then how do we know because here’s the thing okay you were saying so listen I’m learning something new about vitamin it goes deep Sandy like I
Said I I’ve been studying this for years it’s it’s crazy I mean this stuff was surprising to me I didn’t invent this stuff I didn’t want this to be reality I just kept digging deeper and deeper and like I said I went to ien then I did a
Postr then I went to Oregon State and I was like oh my God like this is insane so okay I’m one of these people people that is notoriously low in vitamin D I carry two genetic Snips so single nucleotide polymorphisms for those of you who don’t know they’re
Just genes that just kind of make it more difficult for me to really absorb vitamin D from natural sources like going out in the sun so how am I supposed supposed to know so what I believe and what I think is the best way and I mean I’ve used
This with thousands of people Sandy and this isn’t let me start by saying this I didn’t invent this idea I created a better method okay so your body will always show symptoms of inadequacy it will always show symptoms and this will be this could be a really really long
Discussion you can tell by the symptoms now people will say well I I don’t believe that because that’s how the you know nutrition and vitamin industry already works I dry skin what should I take but they’re asking for One symptom symptoms can overlap symptoms can be from various different causes you could
Have a symptom because you have an allergy an intolerance it could be a vitamin deficiency or it could be a drug side effect hormones there could be various reasons so you have to be very careful but you have to think biologically if like I said your cells are breaking breaking down to take
Nutrients and put them in a more critical place if those processes aren’t happening because we know vitamins again pair with enzymes to complete a function or process within our body if that function or process is impaired what’s going to happen if those cells aren’t full with vitamins and that function
Cannot happen you’re going to have a symptom something is going to go wrong there’s a break in the chain there will be a Health symptom now some of them are extremely vague some of them are emotional some of them are physical some of them again are so vague that you
Wouldn’t notice them or you’ve been taught to just assume that they’re normal and if you again have one or two symptoms it’s very difficult to rule out another reason for that symptom so what I believe is you can take a systematic array of symptoms I take all of the clinical literature the research
The studies that go back years and years and years because we have done these studies what we found is when we deplete a single nutrient so we take humans we have a group of humans we deplete a single nutrient we give them zero so we’re completely exhausting all of the
Supply and we’re giving them none so we know that they’re going to let’s say it’s vitamin C they’re going to get scurvy we know that’s going to happen what’s interesting is between day five and day 10 everyone had biochemical disruptions which means some of the processes that
Well we need this vitamin to fulfill this bodly process now it’s not happening so they get some symptoms now at day 200 everyone was depleted and they had for instance with B B1 they had Berry barrier for vitamin C it was scurvy okay that took 200 days what’s
Most interesting is what happens in the 190 days in between the initial onset of cellular disruption because we’re not getting enough and now complete and utter clinical deficiency that we can see that we know you’re you’re on your deathbed in those 190 days every single person had symptoms to varying degrees
And different symptoms so for me maybe the first thing that happened is my hair started falling out for you maybe you started getting nervous or getting ticks well [ __ ] that that’s difficult because everyone develops them in different ways at different times and to different severities but by the end the 190 days
As days pass when they got to day 200 every single person had all of the same symptoms to the same severity level so we know that because of our again biochemical individuality like we spoke about earlier for some people says well your hair is not important I’ll pull it
From there some your Skin’s not important I’ll pull it from there so our symptoms can Arise at different times but by the end we all experience the same symptoms that’s all a condition or illness is is a set of symptoms that we cluster together that’s what any kind of
Illness is right so I know this is this is a little long and this is roundabout but what we have to do to create a test that is reliable so we have to use reliable symptoms so what I do is use only symptoms that have been recorded or
Documented or observed in clinical study clinical practice or research okay now to take it step further kind of as a fail safe the symptom also must be related to an impairment of function of that vitamin so let’s say we you know give people zero vitamin C and in 200
Days they have all these symptoms and all of them have the same like 12 symptoms but then someone else has diarrhea well if I that just could be related to something else it’s not an impairment of a vitamin C function so that can’t be included so it kind of
Acts as a fail safe okay so that ensures that the symptoms are a reliable indicator of you know vitamin status right now to make sure that the test is consistent that means I can take it I can take it two months later I can take
It a year later and it will give me consistent feedback it will tell me if my level is going up or down or staying the same it must be consistent with me because again my needs change it also must be consistent amongst different populations and subpopulations of people
Who again Express symptoms at different times that means test must use at least 10 symptoms that again are documented and related to the impairment of function and they must use 10 symptoms so it accounts for different biochemical individuality now again to ensure that it’s actually again reliable a person must experience at
Least three three of the symptoms so you must have at least 30% okay of the 10 or more 10 is the minimum 10 or more symptoms you must experience 30% of them for me and the test to say yes you would benefit from taking this vitamin because
If you just have one or two symptoms I can’t rule out that those symptoms were again brought on by an allergy and intolerance hormonal dysfunction a drug that you’re taking or a different a different nutrient inadequately so so again there’s different fail states that we use to make sure that you’re
Expressing the symptoms so I can have feel three symptoms you can feel three different symptoms but we would both get the same results and that’s what’s important in using a test like this yeah because for example if you’re someone like myself who has potential for thyroid disruption it’s not because I
Have one it’s because my medications sometimes they absorb I can also take things that can interact with the absorption of my medic medications right so I have no thyroid but hair loss and dry brittle hair can also be a thyroid symptom absolutely so you do but it can
Also be related to biotin def yeah exactly another vitamin and that’s why you have to experience at least 30% of the symptoms for us to clinically say that at that point it is definitely benefit because I mean and think about it just logically just logically let’s say again there’s 10 proven symptoms of
A vitamin deficiency well if I have one symptom or if I have 10 who who’s more likely to need it yeah the person who has all 10 symptoms so the less symptoms you have the less that we can accurately and reliably say yes from this so I say
The cut off must be at least 30% and in clinical studies this is what tends to be true once you have at least three of them out of 10 or you know four of them out of 12 or whatever it is yeah okay it looks like you know you you need this um
And and and just to to kind of come back to it so it’s easy for people to understand because there’s a lot of information and this is new for people and we have educate them I’ll use vitamin C as a perfect example we can do clinical studies and the symptoms are
All over the place and going back to like the 1700s when they were you know finding this in Sailors and they started giving them limes you know that’s why they called the britishers limes right these symptoms were so all over the place that it’s documented we actually
Have the documents from the generals in the Army said this disease is like nothing we’ve ever seen before the symptoms take on different diseases and look different among every other person they couldn’t document Until the End stag where again everyone had the same symptoms so what we do for vitamin C we
Know that vitamin C is required for collagen production if you’re not taking enough vitamin C your collagen production will be impaired right because you’re not getting enough to synthesize the collagen well now that we know that that’s a function of vitamin C and then we look at the symptoms well
Where’s collagen located in your joints in your teeth in your gums well and in in your tissues it’s the most extensive you know tissue system in the body collagen well what happens when vitamin C is low and collagen’s impaired we get loose teeth we get bleeding gums we get
Swollen joints we get blood vessels that burst Under the Skin well then that makes sense those symptoms that have been documented yes those are functions of vitamin C that now aren’t happening so that makes total sense if collagen’s in your gums now collagen’s impaired and now my gums are bleeding well that makes
Total sense so again it has to fit those criteria in order to be used so this is all okay I have to I have to ask you a couple more questions because we’re over an hour now but I mean I could talk to you forever oh yeah um do you believe in
Multivitamins I do I I do you do see I was gonna say I don’t I don’t I would rather I mean you took my test right like my test breaks down what you need right it gives you a better idea again it’s better than guessing that was
G to be my my company headline too it’s like it’s better than guessing yeah I love it well how else would you know you know I’ll get back to the multiv but I swear Sandy this is the greatest single question I ask people how when you go
Out to the store or you go online how do you decide which vitamins you buy you know the number one answer I get what a blood work I say give me your blood work oh no no I’ve never done it no they don’t test for it they don’t actually do
It but and people don’t it’s like really really you go out and do a blood test when you want to go vitamin shopping no you don’t it’s people just think that’s the answer but I say no no no no not what you think you should do what do you
Actually do to decide what you buy when you go out and buy magnesium and vitamin D why did you pick those why do you think that you’re lacking those two and not something else they don’t have an answer or they just saw it from you know
Yeah I saw it online I heard it was good for this well it doesn’t matter most are deficient yeah that’s what I hear a lot that’s true and that’s true and and you know again it goes back like hey at least you’re buying something but wouldn’t you rather buy exactly what you
Need well this test tells you what you need but yeah so I test for individual nutrients because I agree with you I believe filling in precise nutrient gaps for you is what’s going to be the best solution why I said I believe in multivitamins is there are some people
Who won’t do this there are some people who are so nutrient deficient and I use this analogy and I am almost getting Deja Vu like I might have used this analogy with you before it’s like you have an army coming coming at you again all these symptoms all these conditions
Environmental toxins all these things I want to use a sniper rifle and you know pick each vitamin or do I just want a machine gun like when all this stuff’s coming at me so the the the multivitamin a as a machine gun just takes care of
Everything for you so people that I see that have never taken a vitamin in their life who eat fast food junk food processed food forever I say get a freaking multivitamin you rather than buying every individual nutrient so I believe in in that regard but when I’m Consulting people like in practice in
Clinic I usually very rarely recommend it yeah okay so I do in two instances I believe in a multivitamin I’ll tell you actually three one one would be aligned with what you’re saying somebody who doesn’t want to take anything and will take one supplement per day yeah and that’s
That in that case yes number two University students because I’ve got two and I know what it’s like and I know what their habits are and number three elderly people because it can get very complex for them to get a number of different nutrients or supplements into their body
Um but those are my you know top three where I would recommend it but for the most part I align with you that we should um Target our supplements and and and typically the way that I do it is like you said there’s symptoms but I don’t have a comprehensive system like
You do but there’s symptoms genetics diet and lifestyle um where you live exposure to chemical ials um if you have if you cut out certain group food groups which I don’t believe in I always believe in having a balanced diet unless you cannot eat something for whatever reason um but
Yeah I mean it’s it’s really interesting so let’s let’s wrap this up let’s wrap this up um give me one statement that would be the longterm consequence of no supplementation at all yeah well we see it we see it in people and I’ll say it like
This not only is you know if you don’t want to take supplements and you’re relying on your diet and you’re including any food that’s nutrient poor you will actually Rob your body of vitamins and people can put themselves into a vitamin debt so the longterm consequence that I’ve talked about and
Not a lot of people know about or some people don’t even believe is you will develop an acquired vitamin dependency this means if you’ve been insufficient for an extended period of time years decades even for some people but you’re eating junk food and now your body needs
To use what vitamins it has stored in itself it’s using them just to digest this food you’re actually putting yourself in a vitamin debt because you’re taking in very little and your body’s expending it you’re putting in this vitamin de you’ll acquire an vitamin dependence that means you’re now
Going to require more of this particular vitamin for the rest of your life like indefinitely to try to make up this vitamin Deb so you’re going to be indebted to vitamins which means you’re going to need more and more and more to fulfill the role so you’ll almost be
Playing a game of catchup that you’re just never GNA win wow that’s powerful and you know the one thing I am going to say too for anybody who because there’s a lot of people who listen and who are you know biohackers or whatever I’m always like listen get your get your
[ __ ] straight first like get get the balance in the vitamins and minerals right first before you start going and experimenting with NAD and oh my God right I love the oh my God yeah I was I wasn’t even thinking about that I love that you brought that up and I know
We’re going to wrap this up but people are on this oh oh well how can I do this longevity can I can I start injecting hormones stff like [ __ ] like get your vitamins right get what your body requir get that right first and then start thinking about these longevity things
It’s like the car that’s breaking down and you never fill up the oil you never fill up the coolant but can I put a Turbocharger in the car will that yes D just take care of the normal stuff that your body requires the raw materials it requires to function properly once
That’s optimal do you know how good you’re going to feel and then if you want to do some other things then by all means go for it sure yeah I love it okay okay where can we find you Cameron and tell us about a little more about your book when is it coming
Out and I won’t use the swear word again yeah well I was thinking how the F how the f I I hate that because I feel it’s on inauthentic but I understand you can’t put [ __ ] on the cover yeah well when I was uh working with my editor we
Almost thought that this will be a series like you’re talking about that Dr James D it’s like the something fix it was like how the F and I’ll have like a book How The F this how the F that so like a series um the book should be
Coming out early next year um you know how this goes there’s always delays and re-edits and things that but early next year they can find me I’m mostly on Instagram it’s Cameron Cogswell but I wanted to say this too my vitamin score.com anyone can do the test I
Created a coupon Co code Sandy K anyone who wants to it will get 25% off so they can go ahead my vitamin score.com promo code Sandy K and it’ll give them 25% off but if they want to interact with me Cameron Cogswell on Instagram I reply to
Everybody people write me DMS it doesn’t matter I reply to every single person so they can find me there that’s awesome thank you so much Cam I loved our conversation as always so great thank you thanks Amy okay I hit stop there
